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Inger · May 25, 2008, 09:48 PM // 21:48

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Uhm, actually, if something was sold in better amount, it is better. Same as why someone smart will get higher grades than a stupid person and same why person with high IQ is more intelligent than person with lower IQ at almost same age.

How is WoW is better than GW not an opinion based statement?... I personally like GW more than WoW that is MY OPINION... obviously many ppl have a different a opinion.

If everything that sold more was better than heck that must mean the ford focus is a way better car than a Ferrari, they're both cars and one has clearly outsold the other...

back on topic!... no GW isn't the king... its probably the best online f2p game out there but in the giant scheme of rpgs there is definately some better ones.

kade · May 25, 2008, 11:24 PM // 23:24

wow has a subscription and i won't play it because it does, does thatmean it can't compare to GW? no, they are two different games and you can't compare them...why people still are after 3 years is beyond me...

Skyy High · May 26, 2008, 12:06 AM // 00:06

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Uhm, actually, if something was sold in better amount, it is better. Same as why someone smart will get higher grades than a stupid person and same why person with high IQ is more intelligent than person with lower IQ at almost same age.

Not even touching how flawed the IQ comparison is, but I'll say this: WoW came into the MMO market with a HUGE following, of a largely-untapped population of gamers. How many Warcraft gamers bought WoW just because it was a Warcraft game, and then got hooked? How many of them would have bought a different MMO, any MMO, had WoW not been made? How many MMOs have been developed for as long, by as big a company, with as big a budget, and as big a reputation as Blizzard?

Had WoW not turned out to be the highest selling MMO ever, it would have been a catastrophe as big as LotRO's failure (how they managed to make a MMORPG based on the Tolkien universe not be an instant best-seller, I have no idea). ANet came out of literally nowhere to make one of the most successful online RPGs, f2p; you can scoff at 5 million units sold all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that that's a huge milestone for any game, especially one from a relatively small company, with no previous player base to depend upon.

Lastly, popularity with the masses has very little correlation to how good something really is. You want proof? Britney Spears, Justin Timberlake, Backstreet Boys, and all those other amazingly sh***y pop groups that were/are so damn popular. Are you really going to say that they're the greatest artists ever?

Red Sonya · May 26, 2008, 01:00 AM // 01:00

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Originally Posted by Spike

If GW was a paid for game and wow was free I would still play GW. In fact I would still play GW even if wow paid you to play. Thats how bad wow is. Oh and wow does NOT have 10 million paid for accounts.

Oh excuse me I was over by a mere 1 million...here's the link igmo

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,135017/article.html

Over 9 MILLION SUBSCIBERS and that was last July so with the numbers still climbing and WOW still in the top 10 of the sales chart I'm pretty sure they are closing in on 10 MILLION.

This doesn't even count the 26 million sales in CHINA, but, I guess you never read or lookup things to know stuff like that.

arcanemacabre · May 26, 2008, 01:49 AM // 01:49

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

Is someone who loads powerfull skills and uses powerfull build hypocrite too?
Some of few builds that do not suck completelly?
Maybe someone who uses PvX ones?
Maybe everyone who is not spamming power attacks, orsions and flares?

Context - It is hypocritical when someone claims innocence of overpowered 'features' such as Ursan and consummables, yet completely overlooks the ridiculously overpowered PvE-skills they are using.

Nevin · May 26, 2008, 02:26 AM // 02:26

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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove

And if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.

You mean she doesn't?

Red Sand · May 26, 2008, 02:29 AM // 02:29

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Originally Posted by S0larius

Just a quick post to say that after a short break, where I tried out WoW and Age of Conan (still playing AoC for a while), I always miss GW. Why? It's just the best mix out there IMHO. The interface is the very best I've seen - just the right mix of depth while avoiding all the tedious aspects of other MMOs. Good community to boot.

Plus...no subscription fee. I've yet to see a game that has given me a reason to switch to a paid subscription.

Curious if others have had this same experience. I am hopeful that GW2 will retain everything that made the first great, and not introduce the same pitfalls other games like AoC have.

Anyway - carry on.

I'm a reformed Evercrack user. Checked out WoW (too cartoony for me) tried LoTRO for a while (hard to solo). Bought GW and I'm hooked. It's not as complex as EQ, WoW, or LoTRO, not a lot of STUFF, you know... unique equipment, weapons, skills, crafting etc. But the interface is pretty easy to learn and THE BUILD makes it more complex. Don't have to spend hours making baskets or arrowheads to get ahead in the game. Don't have to camp a mob for that critical piece of loot. Don't have to gather a force of 30 to get a chance at getting decent equipment. Don't have to worry about getting your kills stolen by a group more powerful than your own.

Great looking game. My only complaint, PvE is like most games, you still have to kill a mob for xp and loot. Ah well, can't have everything, and GW does PvE best in my opinion. No solo pulling one mob from the group and killing them off one at a time. The AI is smart enough to know to bring friends when somone is shooting at you.

And I love GW PvP. PvP without worrying about getting ganked on the way from city to town? PvP on my terms, when I want it. I'll take it.

Best Game Ever.

Darkobra · May 26, 2008, 02:51 AM // 02:51

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

qft. If there was a monthly in GW, nobody would play.

Exactly. I'd sure as hell not pay to play for Guild Wars. The only reason it's even a slight competition to others is because of the lack of monthly fee.

That and the community in GW is laughable compared to other games, too.

HawkofStorms · May 26, 2008, 03:05 AM // 03:05

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

But really - the main point ANYONE plays GW is because it's f2p after buying it once. If it was $12-$15, people would play so many other games... Lineage 2, WoW, RO, DR, AoC...

If GW was $12-15 a month, I wouldn't play it. But I wouldn't play any of those other games either.
I'd stick to my Xbox and play Mass Effect, Morrowind, and GTAIV, coming on to the computer to play StarCraft and SC2. The thing is, a lot of people don't like ANY pay to play games just on principle. No matter what game it was, even if it was some theoretical super game that was the best game ever made, I wouldn't play it if it was P2P.
People often assume that if GW had a monthly fee, people would suddenly move to other games with a monthly fee. The truth is, most people would move to other games WITHOUT a monthly fee. If I were to play a game with a monthly fee, it would be GW, with its beautiful graphics and relatively glitch free system.

Red Sonya · May 26, 2008, 03:06 AM // 03:06

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Originally Posted by Darkobra

Exactly. I'd sure as hell not pay to play for Guild Wars. The only reason it's even a slight competition to others is because of the lack of monthly fee.

That and the community in GW is laughable compared to other games, too.

Exactly GW is the mmo/mmorpg for the majority of "poor" players (kids 8 years old and upwards to 17 and of course the family guy who has 3 kids and a wife and couldn't come close to affording the others at $15 a month). It's not to say a "handful" of players with money don't play GW, but, just looking at the SUBSCRIBERS of WOW it just goes to show that the MAJORITY WITH the MONEY do play Pay to Play ones and most play WOW. If GW was $15 a month to play they would hardly have ever reached 5 or 6 million in sales. I know I'm one who bought it specifically because it had no monthly fee, I certainly didn't buy it because it was advertised as skill>time because well I already knew better than that, there's just no such thing as it always takes time to gain skill(s) no matter what you play.

Aera Lure · May 26, 2008, 03:32 AM // 03:32

I have the money to pay for a monthly subscription to a game. I'll just never do so as a rule.

samifly · May 26, 2008, 03:39 AM // 03:39

I bought GW because it had no fee, but now I would rather it have a fee than to see it dying like it is now.

Lady Lozza · May 26, 2008, 03:40 AM // 03:40

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

... popularity with the masses has very little correlation to how good something really is. You want proof? Britney Spears, Justin Timberlake, Backstreet Boys, and all those other amazingly sh***y pop groups that were/are so damn popular. Are you really going to say that they're the greatest artists ever?

QFT. I do keep coming back to GW. Even though I do play other things at times. TF2, Sam & Max, and a couple of other online rpgs.

I've said in a previous topic that some people are simply capable of enjoying games long after the "new shine" has worn off. A lot of people aren't. Just like some people LIKE grind, and some people don't.

Is GW still the "king" (of online games) for me, yes. Is it problem free? No. But compared to other (online) games I play and have played GW is the (only) one I am still enjoying after 3 years of play. Though oddly enough I've had L2 cravings lately...

Darkobra · May 26, 2008, 03:40 AM // 03:40

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Originally Posted by Aera Lure

I have the money to pay for a monthly subscription to a game. I'll just never do so as a rule.

And I honestly don't blame you. I have the mindset that once you paid to get the game, why would you pay monthly just to get access to the content?

That's not to say that the pay to play games themselves are bad. It's just a very annoying way to do things.

Uber Mass · May 26, 2008, 09:03 AM // 09:03

tho im playing wow right now gw will always have a special place in my heart.... and when gw2 comes out i will play it defo

Abedeus · May 26, 2008, 10:27 AM // 10:27

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Originally Posted by Inger

How is WoW is better than GW not an opinion based statement?... I personally like GW more than WoW that is MY OPINION... obviously many ppl have a different a opinion.

If everything that sold more was better than heck that must mean the ford focus is a way better car than a Ferrari, they're both cars and one has clearly outsold the other...

It's 10 millions vs, hell, even 1 million, although I honestly don't believe so many people exist. Still, if something has sold 10 times more than the other company, it DOES mean something is better. If it was 10 millions vs 5-7 millions, I would agree it doesn't mean something is better. If 10 millions vs 10 millions, then they are even.

Or maybe you say that Stephen Hawking is as smart as Paris Hilton, because their IQ doesn't matter? You are either insulting Hawking or praising Hilton ;d

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And if you want Anet to realize their mistakes it would be far more efficient to compile a list of complaints and form some sort of petition.

Go to any ursan-rant thread and you'll see lists.

Rexion · May 26, 2008, 12:31 PM // 12:31

I'm exact opposite.
I love WoW and every time I talk to my old guildies from WoW, I want WoW back. GW has just become a grind fest/title farm.
Atleast WoW had a fun community (depending on server+side >.>) aswell as really cool endgame.

WARPATh · May 26, 2008, 02:23 PM // 14:23

GW is still de king.

You got like 98560958650968 things to do.

The only things that are dead and you cannot do without guildies is

Sorrow's Furnace
Deep
Urgoz
Jade Quarry
Fort aspenwood

those places are empty

Mr. G · May 26, 2008, 02:37 PM // 14:37

all game die, i mean look at CoH - the gameplay is still pretty dam good...but wheres the community? the place is a ghost-town

on the birghtside GW2 will give us more GW fun when its out, it might not be THE GW but it'll be the familiar thing

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Originally Posted by WARPATh

The only things that are dead and you cannot do without guildies is

Sorrow's Furnace
Deep
Urgoz
Jade Quarry
Fort aspenwood

I think you need a better guild tbh, you make it sound like working with guildies is grind - all games are pretty boring after a while its the people who make it fun

ogre_jd · May 26, 2008, 02:44 PM // 14:44

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

It's 10 millions vs, hell, even 1 million, although I honestly don't believe so many people exist. Still, if something has sold 10 times more than the other company, it DOES mean something is better.

...even if it's only the advertising. World of Warcraft has massive television advertising campaigns. It helps a lot. Guild Wars, on the other hand, has had next to no advertising. Maybe in game magazines, maybe some banner ads here and there, plus word of mouth. If there were TV ads, they were certainly very few (especially here in Canada) and unmemorable. Frankly, it's rather amazing that Guild Wars has shifted as many copies as it has - and probably most of those sales to first-time players have been solely because of the box art and blurbs on the back.